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Post by isaac on Sept 4, 2012 9:08:09 GMT -7
I am looking for reference to fur hats or native fur turbans being worn by non Indians in the fur trade. I have seen the article here... www.manuellisaparty.com/articles.htm but it really gives no references other than some images drawn by Ranney in the 1850s. This is a point of curiosity that I am looking into and if anyone can add... please help. Isaac |
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Post by isaac on Sept 5, 2012 8:39:49 GMT -7
Was looking through Krieghoff (yes 1840-60s) and noticed a lot of white dudes (and no NDNs) wearing fur caps. Cool winter dudes but not quite the "west."
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Post by joshwilson on Sept 5, 2012 19:37:09 GMT -7
Isaac,
Im interested in the replies to your question. I hope someone with some info will chime in. Meanwhile, can you tell me about Krieghoff? I'm unfamiliar with him...
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Post by isaac on Sept 6, 2012 6:04:39 GMT -7
Cornelius Krieghoff painted a TON of genre paintings of French Canadians and Indians around Quebec and Montreal in the 1840s through 60s.
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Post by isaac on Sept 6, 2012 8:43:55 GMT -7
These are not turbans but caps of fur that are mentioned in Francis Back's article on the Dress of HBC men from the MOFTQ...
caps, “the crown of which is cloth, the flaps of which reach down on the shoulders, and button close under the chin, are of beaver skin; and those who do not use caps, have martin or cat-skin wigs.” Voyages to Hudson’s Bay in Search of a Northwest Passage, 1741-1747, The Voyage of William Moor and Francis Smith (London: The Hakluyt Society, 1995), Vol.2., p. 153.
“a large beaver cap, double, to come over the face and shoulders…” Middleton, Christopher, A Vindication of the Conduct of Captain Christopher Middleton (Londo: The author, 1743), p.196.
“In mild weather, and otter skin wig or cap is worn, having a broad piece of the above skin ‘round it,’ the crown of cloth lined with linnen; but when the cold is great or snow drifting much, another kind of cap is used, the crown also of cloth but lined with flannel; and has a large flap or cape which comes down over the shoulders and ties under the chin.” Graham, Andrew, Observations on Hudson Bay (Written 1767-1791), HBCA, E 2/4-13. f. 435-6.
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Post by isaac on Sept 7, 2012 6:43:00 GMT -7
Here are some images from Krieghoff (earliest IIRC is 1846) Here is a nice scene with a variety of things going on... including a number of fur hats.  Here is a little collage I put together from a bunch of other ones by Krieghoff..  |
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Post by joshwilson on Sept 7, 2012 20:28:19 GMT -7
Cool pics Isaac! Thanks for sharing them. I looked some of his stuff up on google images the other day, but I dont believe that even half of the images that you posted came up then. Interesting to note, one site I got onto said that forgers are painting in his style and signing his name to them...
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Post by isaac on Sept 8, 2012 4:56:17 GMT -7
yup... I have heard of forgers for him. These are all verified as CK. I actually purchased a very nice large book on the art of CK about 11 years ago that these came from. Here are a couple other canadien and native images, these from John Crawford Young and from the 1820s (a bit earlier but still from near Quebec).   |
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Post by Rod on Sept 10, 2012 13:56:03 GMT -7
Interesting that most are of the 'pillbox' style----simple and easy to make, no full animal face or even a brim.
Isaac, you've probably seen it already, but Kurz did a sketch he labels as a Canadian, apparently wearing a fur bandeau (open on top). Ranney also illustrates the pillbox type of fur hat.
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Post by isaac on Sept 10, 2012 19:04:37 GMT -7
Interesting that most are of the 'pillbox' style----simple and easy to make, no full animal face or even a brim. Isaac, you've probably seen it already, but Kurz did a sketch he labels as a Canadian, apparently wearing a fur bandeau (open on top). Ranney also illustrates the pillbox type of fur hat. Rod I have seen the Ranney one but I am not sure if I ever noticed the fur hat in Kurtz. I will have to go back and look. Pillbox is most common it seems. I do have a "typology" started of different styles. I hope to work up a blog on this in the next week or so. IW |
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Post by Rod on Sept 10, 2012 19:57:51 GMT -7
My mistake on the label---Kurz doesn't specify who this guy is: user.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/images/kurz/plate34.jpgThe guy with the powderhorn to his back looks like he's wearing a handkerchief...maybe. The detail figure lower left is wearing a fur bandeau, with what looks like a fox or coyote tail attached. Here's the Canadian guy, looks like he's wearing a handkerchief or something similar around his head. user.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/images/kurz/plate36.jpgI got to see a few Ranney and Miller paintings 'in the flesh' so to speak, on Sunday----took an all too brief tour of the Buffalo Bill Center in Cody, Wyoming on Sunday. I could spend days in that place. Rod |
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Post by isaac on Sept 11, 2012 6:28:13 GMT -7
I think the powderhorn guy has fur turban as well... the other guy definitely has a fur turban with tail. Thanks for the reminder on those!!! IW |
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