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Post by teakmtn on Apr 25, 2012 18:37:51 GMT -7
I have some brain tan moose and have made a pair of side seam mocs. They came out great but their a little tight and I'm gonna make another pair. My question is if any of you have handled original mocs and do they have a welt in the main seam around the foot?
Ive googled and looked photos but I can't get a clear answer. Alot of the seams are beaded. I used the pattern from paleoplanet. The author does not use a welt. Womem of the fur trade web site uses a welt. The welt looks good but is it right?Liefer here on this forum incorporated a welt and it looks good. Also, if I take the ones I made apart and put a welt in them they may fit better.
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Post by blackhand on Apr 26, 2012 9:42:00 GMT -7
I have some brain tan moose and have made a pair of side seam mocs. They came out great but their a little tight... Get them damp, put them on and walk them dry. They should be tight when you first make them. |
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Post by teakmtn on Apr 26, 2012 11:41:47 GMT -7
Thanks, I'm gonna try that. They are tight but fit perfect otherwise. I'm still curious about weather or not a welt is correct for Indian made side seam mocs or if it's a white man cobbler/saddler method. I think I have seen welts on period garments but can't find anything on mocs.
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Post by isaac on Apr 26, 2012 11:56:32 GMT -7
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Post by Chuck Burrows on Apr 26, 2012 12:00:52 GMT -7
Welts do not generally showup on any type of western Indian moccasins until very late in the 19th Century. That info is based on handling about 500 pair dating from 1820's to 1890's, with the majority being pre-1860. You can also see lots of mocs on line at sites like the following two: anthro.amnh.org/northwww.splendidheritage.com/nindex.htmlWelts were used by various tribes early on though for other clothing such as coats; therefore I won't say they were never used in mocs..... |
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Post by teakmtn on Apr 27, 2012 11:40:58 GMT -7
Thanks, so much Issac and Chuck. Awesome links. Just spent an hour plus looking at photos of mocs and I come out with that the only conclusion is there is so much crossover in design from one nation to another, especially after the beginning of the reservation period. From side seam, center seam, pucker toe with vamp, side seam with beading thats supposed to look like a vamp! Hard sole/soft sole and to whatever the hell those Yucchi guys were doing!
I'm gonna go with the guy who has handled many pairs of actual mocs (I'm so jealous) and go with no welt. Thanks, Chuck
Wow, my heads still spinning from staring at photos. I will be going back to that website for much more info for quite awhile.
You guys just upped my google fu.
Doug T
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Post by randychurch on Apr 29, 2012 14:38:23 GMT -7
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