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Post by Dan'l Hickham on Jan 25, 2014 17:53:40 GMT -7
Any references or narratives that you can point out as to the type of rifle that was carried by the Wilson Price Hunt Party in 1810. I suspect it was a standard Lancaster/Pennsylvania rifle maple stocked brass mounted with a tapered or swamped barrel of 48 to 52 caliber.
I have been going through the references on the AMM website but have not stumbled across in the narratives anything specific.
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Post by Rod on Jan 26, 2014 18:20:22 GMT -7
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Post by Dan'l Hickham on Jan 26, 2014 19:07:26 GMT -7
Thanks Rod L.
Will call tomorrow to order it
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Post by Rod on Jan 27, 2014 14:33:34 GMT -7
Just a thought, but you might want to look at the general style of the rifles made by Henry Deringer. He opened his gun shop in 1806, and had government contracts for rifles by 1809, so he was well established by the time of the Astorians. I don't know if any Deringers went with them, but it would show you the type of rifle available to the fur companies of that era. Like you, I would like to know is there were any specific contracts for rifles, or if they were just buying them on the open market. There might be something in the AFC papers in New York, but I don't have access to them.
Also, I would wonder if Astor was buying any rifles from England at that time. I know he was getting quite a number of them after the War of 1812. If so, he might have been routing them through the SouthWest Company/Michilimackinac Company to avoid Jefferson's Embargo Acts.
Rod
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deerslayer
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Regarding the Indian Trade Rifle made by Lacy and company. I have done a extensive research on these
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Post by deerslayer on Apr 9, 2014 11:39:07 GMT -7
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deerslayer
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Regarding the Indian Trade Rifle made by Lacy and company. I have done a extensive research on these
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Post by deerslayer on Apr 9, 2014 11:40:58 GMT -7
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deerslayer
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Regarding the Indian Trade Rifle made by Lacy and company. I have done a extensive research on these
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Post by deerslayer on Apr 9, 2014 13:04:40 GMT -7
I have done a lot of research into The Lacy Trade rifle. As I do own one and have seen 5 others. The following is what I have learned.
1. There were two that went to auction in London England, sold for $11000.00 each.
2. Both of these rifles were returned to England from Canada.
3.All six rifles from my research come from Fort York (Toronto Ontario Canada.) There is a seventh which is in the Military Museum in Ottawa.
4.The rifles all have the same stampings in the general area.
5. The difference in the rifles is the lock plate, the one I possess and a second one I have seen has a square lock Lock Plate, the others have a tear drop lock plate.
6. Two of the rifles have steel ramrods. The ramrod pipes on these rifles have been filled with wood and drilled out so that the steel would not fall out.
7 They all had regiment stamps on the butt plate.
8. The calibre of the rifles is a large 50, or 51 calibre.
7. They are NOT a copy of the J.P.Henry.
8. The stock has more of the lines of there 1858 musket.
9. the front sight is a square blade, the rear sight is square with a square notch.
10.The barrels are tapered.
11. From what I was able to learn they were used as a military firearm at Fort York.
12 Col. Nicholson a commander at the fort in 1834 must have acquired one of these rifles. His decendents who now reside in BOND HEAD just north of Toronto, Donated a Lacy Trade rifle to the Shanon Museum. The rifle was in very poor condition and converted to percussion. However it did come from Fort York.
13 Apparently Dr. Dewitt Bailey in one of his books dates the rifle around 1834. It be safe to say that the rifle did not see any action, other than the MacKenzie King, Up rising. (1835)
14 I made a reproduction of the original to shoot, Bill Large barrel, L and R Durs Egg lock modified to the exact copy. English walunt stock.
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Post by Rod on Apr 10, 2014 17:07:59 GMT -7
Please post photos!
As an aside on point #6, the J.J. Henry English rifle was a copy of the various English made rifles that were popular from the War of 1812 era. They, in turn, evolved from rifles that the English produced from the 1770s onward, which were originally copied from American longrifles. The Henry is a copy of a copy, so to speak. I don't think that anyone has suggested the Lacy & Co. rifle had anything to do with the rifles Henry was turning out.
Rod
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