dgras
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Post by dgras on Sept 2, 2010 11:47:00 GMT -7
I have a J. Henry and Sons full stock smooth bore. Original percussion, 42" barrel, tapered half oct to rnd, with rifle sights. Thick wrist walnut stock. It has a silver thumb piece with anIndian bust like British used, and wood is stamped"USID" has anyone ever seen anything like this? Museum of the fur trade has an unusual styled smooth bore by Leman. I know this is pushing the limits of the time frame on this post, but I sure would like to find some documentation on this thing.
Thanks
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Post by sean on Sept 2, 2010 16:46:06 GMT -7
Get an account on photobucket.com and upload the photos of you gun to it, then post the links here. I would be really interested to see it. And I'll wager that others would as well. We may be able to tell you more with pictures. Right now, all I can say is that J. Henry tried to sell "common smoothrifles" to AFC in the late 1830's instead of NW guns and the company panned on the offer. I'll have to look up my info on Henry contracts with the Indian Affairs office. Guns marked 'J. Henry & Son' are fairly common. The book 'Henry of Boulton' suggests the company was first referred to by that name in about 1858 when Granville Henry became a partner in the business. I have not seen one marked 'J. Henry & Sons', but such a gun may actually predate Granville's partnership as James Henry had 4 sons working with him at Bouton. That book has a halfstocked 14 gauge shotgun in in marked J. Henry & Son and several octagonal barrels smoothbore guns.
Sean
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Post by tcalbert on Sept 3, 2010 6:01:04 GMT -7
I swear, I was just logging on to see if anyone ever saw a Henry smooth bore NW style trade gun to ask what kind of lock was employed. Seems they were fond of the Ashmore/Manton style of waterproof pan etc for the Lancaster type trade rifle...I wondered if they may have used the same lock on a standard NW type smooth bore...that is, if they ever made one..and I would love to see photos or scans of any Henry octogon to round smoothbores...especially the mentioned full stock that started this thread..
TCA
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Post by sean on Sept 3, 2010 8:38:55 GMT -7
I swear, I was just logging on to see if anyone ever saw a Henry smooth bore NW style trade gun to ask what kind of lock was employed. Seems they were fond of the Ashmore/Manton style of waterproof pan etc for the Lancaster type trade rifle...I wondered if they may have used the same lock on a standard NW type smooth bore...that is, if they ever made one..and I would love to see photos or scans of any Henry octogon to round smoothbores...especially the mentioned full stock that started this thread.. TCA Tim, Send me an e-mail and I'll try to get you something next week. I've seen a handful of Henry NW guns. The all had standard, most likely English-made, NW gun locks. Rounded plate, cock, and pan. Some were even stamped with a name and date on the tail like an English NW gun. The one major difference appears to be in the buttstock architecture. The comb wasn't nearly as fluted on the Henrys I've seen as on English and Belgian NW guns. TOW refers to this as a ballister wrist that extends well into the buttstock. Henrys were a bit more slab-sided in the butt, but still had the rounded toe. Sean |
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Post by tcalbert on Sept 3, 2010 9:28:04 GMT -7
Thanks Sean...I was afraid of that...but guessed it might be so...
I saw images of one trade pistol they did, and it had the small trade style lock too...the lock on the Lancasters looked pretty top of the line for the day, but I suppose NW trade guns were a different animal that way, and had to conform to a different pattern...
thanks again ,
TC
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Post by matt on Sept 16, 2010 6:34:21 GMT -7
Charles Hansons The Northwest Gun, pg. 61 #1. It's not a very good photo, kinda small and in black & white of course but you can see that it has a British style round faced lock, very typical of trade guns.
Matt
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Post by dgras on Jun 1, 2011 15:44:08 GMT -7
Just a single picture as practice posting photos
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Post by dgras on Jun 1, 2011 15:49:45 GMT -7
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Post by dgras on Jun 1, 2011 15:57:24 GMT -7
41-3/4" long barrel .62 cal oct to rnd at mid point of barrel. walnut stock . Notice the USID stamped in the stock. Finally figured out how to post pictures, any thoughts on this thing would be great. Thanks Dale G. Attachments:
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Post by dgras on Jun 1, 2011 15:58:14 GMT -7
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Post by dgras on Jun 1, 2011 15:58:44 GMT -7
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Post by dgras on Jun 1, 2011 15:59:12 GMT -7
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Post by dgras on Jun 1, 2011 16:00:03 GMT -7
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Post by Cody on Jun 2, 2011 12:05:55 GMT -7
looks good drags did it cost you a bunch?
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Post by dgras on Jun 2, 2011 14:59:41 GMT -7
It took a lot of trading to get it so maybe not so much cash but the pile of goods sure seemed big! I hated to pass it up since it is such an unusual gun I just wish I had the resources to research it.
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